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Bravetailor Calm Regular

Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 55
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Posted: Tue March 18, 2008 Post subject: The long and winding path to adulthood... |
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Hey guys. I'm taking a break from my job hunting to drop by this site and look around. I think I may have been a member here before, or maybe another SA site, but that was about 3 or 4 years ago, so I don't know if this was around back then.
I'm pretty old now, almost 30, and I've been trying things left and right to try to get myself into being a contributing member of society and find a way to "get rid of" my anxiety. Not quite there yet, but I'm better now that I was at 25. Thought I'd share some experiences with you guys.
Anyway, about 4 years ago, I started to find myself "stuck". I was skipping classes in college, and I found myself more and more nervous at the thought of facing so many people regularly in class on a daily basis. Furthermore, I was majoring in a subject I didn't really like but wasn't close to finishing yet. At the same time, I had gone too far to really change majors. So I was pretty miserable--still living with the parents, not close to graduating (yet too far along to change paths) and I had started developing a bad case of "social anxiety" to boot!
Anyway, I dropped out of college for two years and couldn't find the courage to do much. I began attending social anxiety meetings in the city, but I never stuck with them for very long. I found them moderated by people a little too "positive" for my tastes. I'm all for being optimistic, but there can be a time when it tips into patronizing. I even attended a few meetups through the www.meetup.com website, but they were not helpful and the people tended to dwell on their own depressing state of life instead of constructive conversation. In recent months, the website has degenerated into ads for seminars hosted by people who want you to pay to watch them talk...
After much talk and conflict with the family, I did decide to go back to school to finish my major, and I got my savings and moved out to live on my own as well. I loaded up on courses to finish it that year, too.
It did help. The main goal was to get my degree, even if I didn't like it. I tried looking out for college clubs and activities to join this time, but not much interested me, so I can't say that I made many lasting relationships in this key year. The positive thing was that I had pretty much a perfect attendance record this year and after the first few weeks, I stopped being afraid of going to classes. Sure, the first few weeks were tough--many trips to the washroom to calm down, etc. The key, for me, was to accept I was nervous and not fight the anxiety. Just find a place to let it come and subside (it usually does after a while)
I could have participated more in class, but it was a step up from before. Anyway, by last fall I finally completed my degree, and got my GPA up as well! Moving out also made it better for my relationship with my family. I suspect many people have problems that are doubly exacerbated by family pressures.
Anyway, this isn't me trying to inspire anyone, but I think for me having a clear goal definitely helped get my mind back on track and trudge on despite any anxiety problems I had. Yes, I would like to be in a relationship sometime soon again and be more sociable in general but I try not to let my lack of it consume me. Plus, I think of it in practical terms--why would I want to be in a relationship when I can barely support myself? I need to nail down a good job first. Now, that doesn't stop many poorer people from dating, but I'd still like to get my confidence and finance up before I seriously trudge into it again.
Anyway, so I've been looking for regular work lately and I'm probably going to get into volunteer work to further boost my experience and confidence levels. It's going to be hard, I'm sure, especially because of the big gap of unemployment in my resume during my mid 20s, and my general lack of confidence and still-reasonable amount of anxiety. but there's still a little bit of cockyness in me that says bring it on! Ambition, folks, is a great motivator when embraced the right way. Wish me luck! I'll post anything else I hope might help some people here in the future. |
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SpaceMonkey Terrified Newbie

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sat March 22, 2008 Post subject: |
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Hi Bravetailor!
This is exactly the kind of forward-thinking post I was hoping to find on a site like this. You are correct in mentioning "people tended to dwell on their own depressing state of life instead of constructive conversation", as I see too much of this all over the Internet already.
Lately I have involved myself in gradually progressing to a more comfortable social existence, by setting myself weekly and daily goals to achieve. Like today, when I set out to buy me some nice new shirts, and I got to the mall, but all I did was chuck a lap around the place for 10 mins and got back in my car immediately. Nevertheless, I look forward to next week.
The reason I decided to post up around here was to find like-minded individuals wanting to finally grasp life by the horns!! It seems that you have been quite constructive yourself, sir, so I encourage you to please post up anything you can that may motivate and inspire the rest of us. As I wish to do the same (although admittedly I'm a massive procrastinator... oh, and I'm working now!!).
So yeh...
In short, welcome! And congrats on completing your degree an all dat.
PS: "I began attending social anxiety meetings in the city..." Can you tell me more about this? I had the idea of starting something like this on my own, and I'd like to know more about how others have organized such meetings.
Cheers mate,
SpaceMonkey |
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Bravetailor Calm Regular

Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 55
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Posted: Sun March 23, 2008 Post subject: |
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| SpaceMonkey wrote: | Hi Bravetailor!
This is exactly the kind of forward-thinking post I was hoping to find on a site like this. You are correct in mentioning "people tended to dwell on their own depressing state of life instead of constructive conversation", as I see too much of this all over the Internet already.
Lately I have involved myself in gradually progressing to a more comfortable social existence, by setting myself weekly and daily goals to achieve. Like today, when I set out to buy me some nice new shirts, and I got to the mall, but all I did was chuck a lap around the place for 10 mins and got back in my car immediately. Nevertheless, I look forward to next week.
The reason I decided to post up around here was to find like-minded individuals wanting to finally grasp life by the horns!! It seems that you have been quite constructive yourself, sir, so I encourage you to please post up anything you can that may motivate and inspire the rest of us. As I wish to do the same (although admittedly I'm a massive procrastinator... oh, and I'm working now!!).
So yeh...
In short, welcome! And congrats on completing your degree an all dat.
PS: "I began attending social anxiety meetings in the city..." Can you tell me more about this? I had the idea of starting something like this on my own, and I'd like to know more about how others have organized such meetings.
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Usually, social anxiety meetings are moderated by 1 or 2 people who kind of push the group along into discussing various topics relating to the problem. The biggest problem with it is that many people go there and just stare at the ground or the meetings are dominated by the "most outgoing shy person" who talks the most.
I'm skeptical about the effectiveness of SA meetings. Does hanging around like-minded people help you, or can it drag you down? By this I mean, you can get into the mindset that you're officially "different" from "normal" people and you might subconsciously get TOO comfortable with that idea. Once you've accepted that you're a victim of social anxiety, it's all too easy to just think that it's a disease (like how mental health specialists would like many to think--btw, I really hate how SA sounds like a disease), or something in your natural makeup that's causing you to be afraid of social situations. So if you think like that, you're possibly going into every social situation with a losing mentality, and I think that's self-defeating.
Sure, it helps to know that there are people like you, or worse off than you, but the idea is to improve your current situation, not accept it. All too often I see the same people go to meetings week after week, month after month, even YEAR AFTER YEAR, without much apparent improvement. Some of the people I met in these meetings were in their 40s or 50s and have been struggling with the problem for DECADES, even though they were regularly attending "group help" meetings.
It's interesting that you noted your internal battle for some new shirts--and it's being in a crowd is a big problem for many SA people.. I can go out and to the mall and do window shopping just fine. I find that being just another face in the crowd is where I'm at my loneliest and most comfortable. It's when I have to go to dinner with someone, or talk to someone past the "yes ma'am, no ma'am" stage that I start to get nervous. |
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SpaceMonkey Terrified Newbie

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun March 23, 2008 Post subject: |
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| Bravetailor wrote: |
I'm skeptical about the effectiveness of SA meetings. Does hanging around like-minded people help you, or can it drag you down? By this I mean, you can get into the mindset that you're officially "different" from "normal" people and you might subconsciously get TOO comfortable with that idea. Once you've accepted that you're a victim of social anxiety, it's all too easy to just think that it's a disease (like how mental health specialists would like many to think--btw, I really hate how SA sounds like a disease), or something in your natural makeup that's causing you to be afraid of social situations. So if you think like that, you're possibly going into every social situation with a losing mentality, and I think that's self-defeating.
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I share your sentiments here, Bravetailor.
The gathering together of people with a common problem, in any given field, often results in the newly formed group serving as another "comfort zone", when the objective in the first place was for members to support each other and push beyond their comfort zones.
I also agree that thinking of "Social Anxiety (Disorder)" in those words creates a spiral of negativity in our minds. The more we acknowledge the "anxiety" and attempt to become comfortable with it, the more we are reminded of that very "anxiety"! As a wise man once told me: You are what you think.
Still, I have been thinking thoroughly on this topic and all the contingencies along the way. That's not to say that I have developed a full proof system to overcome social anxiety. However, I earnestly believe that the secret lies in - what Napoleon Hill calls - the Mastermind: a group of individuals coming together to collectively achieve a common goal for themselves. In this case, overcoming (or becoming comfortable with) social anxiety.
NOT, as I believe you have alluded to in your reply, having a bunch of people meet up and non-sensically discuss all the 'problems' with having social anxiety. This is crap. I was thinking more along the lines of, accepting social anxiety for what it is; deciding to systematically set out to overcome it; going through with the decision; and having a support base of like-minded individuals when needed (after all, it's easy to lose hope and faith in yourself every now and then).
I hope you can see what I'm talking about here, mate.
Hence my earlier question: what can you tell me about social anxiety meet-up groups? I would like to perhaps track one down in my city and see where that goes.
Cheers,
SpaceMonkey |
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Bravetailor Calm Regular

Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 55
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Posted: Mon March 24, 2008 Post subject: |
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I do see where you are coming from, and I wish you good luck in your quest to perhaps form an ideal group. I often do have this daydream where, perhaps, many of us could be members of a single, expansive group for SA that spans across the continent where we could perhaps speak or make aware of ourselves to others like us so we could overcome it. But not on a level confined just to the internet. Perhaps we could also communicate to others through posters or pamphlets from city to city, depending on where each member lives, distributed by anyone involved with the group and even members who may not necessarily be people who would attend "meetings", yet could still feel like a part of a group. Sort of some covert-yet-open-to-the-public type of group, but not cult-like or sinister like the Freemasons.
Or sort of like the comic book 'Invisibles' but without the terrorism and violence. But the idea of a group that spans the continent, with members who can choose to contribute to the group on their own OR with other people is, I think an underrated idea that should be expanded upon.
But again, getting a lot of people to buy into it would be tough.
As for your last question, I'll elaborate.
I went googling for social anxiety support groups in my city at first. And I found 1 or 2 websites that would give directions to times and meeting places throughout the city, or perhaps just 1 regular meeting place in the city. This could be anywhere--a restaurant, a library (my preference) or an unused classroom in a college after classes are over. Most (if not all) SA meetup groups don't force you to talk, so you can just sit and watch how things unfold without being singled out. Occasionally you might run into a smartass leader who pulls the "bait and switch" on you and asks you to introduce yourself to the group but that is a very, very rare occurrence in my experience and I simply walked out on that one when I got tired of the group leader's antics.
My own college had support groups for various problems too, and one of them was for shyness and communication, which is basically SA. This was a school sponsored support group though, not a peer oriented one.
The last of this type of group I attended was through www.meetup.com
This site allows you to search for various interest groups around the world, and if you play around with the site, you should find your interest and see if there are any groups in your city that has one catered towards your interest. There are quite a few social snxiety meetup groups around the world on that site, so obviously it is a popular 'interest'. You have to sign up to become a member of the site but signup is free so it's not a big problem.
Try these options out for yourself. |
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smith9999 Anxious Poster

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Posts: 12
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Posted: Tue March 25, 2008 Post subject: |
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| I agree with you bravetaylor I would much rather read a post with a more positive outlook. I only wish I could think of something positive to say |
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